{"id":8673,"date":"2019-04-04T17:07:19","date_gmt":"2019-04-04T22:07:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tampaseo.expert\/focus\/?p=8673"},"modified":"2019-04-04T17:07:19","modified_gmt":"2019-04-04T22:07:19","slug":"our-interview-with-unplanned-movies-abby-johnson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tampaseo.expert\/focus\/2019\/04\/04\/our-interview-with-unplanned-movies-abby-johnson\/","title":{"rendered":"Our Interview with &#8220;Unplanned&#8221; movie&#8217;s Abby Johnson"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/tampaseo.expert\/focus\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Screen-Shot-2019-04-04-at-3.51.28-PM-179x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8674 lazyload\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tampaseo.expert\/focus\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Screen-Shot-2019-04-04-at-3.51.28-PM-179x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8674\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption>Abby Johnson<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p><em>On September 26, 2009, Abby Johnson held an ultrasound probe as she watched a baby in the womb recoil from a suction cannula while a doctor performed an abortion. That horrific scene caused Abby to leave Planned Parenthood. Her eye-opening journey is recounted in the newly released movie, &#8216;Unplanned&#8217;. We had the privilege of interviewing Abby for <\/em>Think <em>magazine in 2010.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>Brad Harrub:<\/strong> Please share with our readers some of your background and how you became involved in the abortion controversy.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>Abby Johnson:<\/strong> I was a student at Texas A&amp;M and went to a volunteer opportunity fair that they had every semester on campus. There was a woman there who was talking about planned parenthood. I really didn\u2019t know anything about Planned Parenthood. I didn\u2019t grow up in a community with Planned Parenthood. She began talking about Planned Parenthood and the services they provided. She did talk about abortion a little bit, but she told us that the primary volunteer duties were to escort women into the clinic whenever they were there for their abortion procedures. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>I told her that I grew up in a pro-life household. She told me she understood that, but the reason it was so important for women to have this choice was because if it wasn\u2019t available then women would be having all of these illegal abortions and dying at this incredible rate.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p>And I just thought this was terrible, so I thought to myself, \u201cThis is something I could get behind and it makes sense to me.\u201d So I started volunteering. I was a volunteer for about two years. I then became their campus intern\u2014still a volunteer position\u2014but I became the liaison between Planned Parenthood and Texas A&amp;M. I did that for a year, and right before I graduated with my undergraduate degree from A&amp;M, they asked me if I wanted to become an employee\u2014a paid employee\u2014of Planned Parenthood. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>I didn\u2019t have any other job prospects coming up, so I said sure. I knew I wanted to get my master\u2019s degree and they said they would work with me on that. So I went ahead and started working there. I worked there through the time when I got my graduate degree and just kept getting promoted and eventually ended up running that particular health center.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> So, you actually grew up in a \u201cpro-life\u201d family environment?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Yes, absolutely!<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Wow. So what do you think it was that helped you make that break and say: \u201cI\u2019m going to volunteer for Planned Parenthood?\u201d Was there a certain phrase or hook she used, or something that she was offering that made it appealing?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Well, I think it was just the idea that if legalized abortion is not available and if these clinics are not available, then we are basically sending women to these slaughter-houses. And therefore women would be dying at this incredible rate. And for me\u2014I\u2019m a very compassionate person\u2014to hear that was too much. To hear somebody say, \u201cWomen are going to be dying if this is not a legal option for women\u201d was new. I\u2019d never really thought about it in that way.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Even though the statistics don\u2019t bear out their scare tactic. So, in a weird, twisted kind of way you viewed yourself as \u201cpro-life\u201d but for older life, so to speak?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Right. Really that is the way they want to frame the argument. They don\u2019t ever think about the unborn life, and that is intentional. They don\u2019t want to think about the baby. They don\u2019t want the clinic workers to think about the baby. They don\u2019t want the women coming in for the abortions to think about the baby. They only want the women to think about themselves. And they only want the clinic workers to think about the woman sitting in front of them. And that\u2019s very intentional.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>\u00a0<strong>BH:<\/strong> Obviously there is a single event that changed your perspective on life. Can you share what took place and how it changed you?<\/p>\n\n\n<p>\u00a0<strong>AJ:<\/strong> There were a couple of things. One was how the business model had been changing within the facility. They had really gone from a family planning and prevention model to abortion model. They went to, \u201cAbortion is the most lucrative. It\u2019s how we make the most money. We\u2019re not making any money with the economy, so we see abortion as an opportunity to really up our income and up our revenue. So we need to get in as many women as possible to have these abortions.\u201d So that was very troubling.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Wow, that\u2019s incredible to hear.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> And so that was kind of the first thing. When I questioned that, it was really my fall from grace. That was when my supervisor told me abortion needed to be my number one priority. That I really didn\u2019t need to worry about family planning and that I needed to get my head in the game for abortion. That\u2019s when I told her abortion would never be my priority, and that family planning would always be my priority. That\u2019s when things started to snowball for me.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>On September 26 (2009), that\u2019s when I actually saw an ultrasound-guided abortion procedure. Ultrasound-guided abortions are very uncommon. They are particularly uncommon in large abortion facilities like Planned Parenthood. If we are talking about abortion in terms of safe procedures for the woman, ultrasound-guided procedures are the safest procedure. It is the best type of procedure for the woman. There\u2019s less risk of uterine perforation. These big places don\u2019t want to do it because it takes more time.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>This particular physician who was coming down that day is a private practice abortion physician. He has his own practice out of town and he was coming in to do abortions as a visiting physician that day. In his practice he only does ultrasound-guided abortions. The patient was a little further along in her pregnancy\u2014about 13 weeks\u2014so the doctor decided that on this patient he was going to do an ultrasound guided procedure. For that procedure he needed an extra person in the room to hold the ultrasound probe, and that was me.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>So they called me into the room and told me they would need me to hold the ultrasound probe on her abdomen so that he could see the uterus during the procedure. That was to be my job during the procedure. So we had everything in place, and I saw on the screen a thirteen-week baby. You know at thirteen weeks\u2014even at ten weeks\u2014what you see on the ultrasound is a fully formed baby with arms and legs.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<p>Everything is fully formed. If you can get a good profile view, you can see all of this. Well, this was a good profile view. I could see everything from head to foot. And then I saw the probe\u2014called a cannula, that is hooked up to the suction machine\u2014I saw that go into the woman\u2019s uterus. And then I saw it jab into the side of the baby. Then, in just a few seconds, I saw the baby begin to react to that jabbing. I saw the baby\u2019s arms and legs begin to move. The baby was trying to get away from the probe.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Wow. I have to ask this because I\u2019m sitting here trying to imagine it for myself: What were you going through internally at that point?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Well, I couldn\u2019t believe what I was looking at. I felt sick to my stomach. I realized what I was about to look at and I realized what I was about to see. And that\u2019s when they turned on the suction. A baby at that age has a perfectly formed backbone. The last thing I saw was the backbone going through the cannula on the ultrasound screen. I\u2019ll never forget what it looked like on the screen. You know how they say with a train wreck you don\u2019t want to watch but you can\u2019t stop looking at it? That\u2019s what it was like for me. I didn\u2019t want to look at it, but I couldn\u2019t stop looking at the screen.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>When I saw that baby moving, it was like he was waking up and then trying to get away from the cannula. I immediately thought of all the women I had lied to. You get a lot of questions in the room. As a counselor in the room with women, they ask you questions before they go back for their abortion procedure. One of the things they ask you frequently is, \u201cIs my baby going to feel this?\u201d Every time I had told them no. Because I really didn\u2019t think the baby would feel it. Planned Parenthood had told me they wouldn\u2019t feel it, so I told them no. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>I immediately thought about all the women I had lied to. I was thinking to myself, \u201cWhat if I had told them the truth? What if I had known the truth\u2014would I still be here at this job? Would those women have chosen an abortion?\u201d What kind of difference would it have made if we had all known the truth? Why are they trying to hide this?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> So obviously your beliefs have changed. What would you say today, here at the end of 2009, are your beliefs on this controversial topic?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> I\u2019m firmly pro-life. The other day I went out in front of an abortion clinic for the first time on an abortion day. It was a good feeling to be on the other side of the fence. But I have a very unique sense of what is going on inside that clinic and what those women are feeling, because I have sat there and looked in their faces.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> So what would you say? Let\u2019s say you have a 15-year-old or a 20-year-old or even a 30-year-old that is currently pregnant and not sure what to do? What would be your words of wisdom at this stage?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been asked that a lot. A lot of times women choose abortion out of convenience. In fact, most of the time they think that abortion is going to be a quick fix. They think an abortion is going to make their lives easier, and I know that is not the case. It is not a quick fix. It is not something you just do and it goes away. It will be with you for the rest of your life. If they are a young person or a person of any age and they don\u2019t have children\u2014many women who choose abortion are in their younger years\u2014that memory of the child they aborted comes back to them when they are holding their wanted children. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>People have asked me, \u201cWhat would you have said differently to those women you were counseling with?\u201d I would have said, \u201cYour baby does have a heartbeat. No matter what you\u2019ve been told, your baby does have a heartbeat, and your baby is going to feel what is happening to it during the abortion. Your baby is going to feel that pain. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>And, when the abortion is finished, somebody is going to have to go back and reassemble the baby that was in your uterus. And they are going to know if it was a boy or girl. This is very real. This is not just a mass of tissue. This is not just a glob of cells. This is a real baby in your uterus.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> What are the secrets in the abortion industry that many never hear about? Obviously you\u2019ve touched on one that most people know that maybe we don\u2019t admit\u2014and that is a lot of this is about money.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Oh yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> But what are some other things, having \u201cbeen there and done that,\u201d that you can share?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> It is so much about money. But also, anytime there are any complications they will do anything to keep that woman quiet, including paying her money to keep her quiet.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Now when you say complications, you mean medical injury.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Yeah. They will pay her off to keep her quiet. Which is sad, because then we never know about those tragedies of abortion. There are so many times that women are injured from an abortion\u2014they\u2019ve had botched abortions\u2014and instead of going to the media so that other women can hear their stories, they are paid off. They are required to sign a statement saying that they will not go public with that information. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>In some states, like Texas, there are laws where they will come and ask the woman if she wants to view the ultrasound. If she does choose to view her ultrasound, and let\u2019s say she\u2019s 10, 12 14, weeks pregnant, they will not show her the full profile of her baby. They may only show her\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> A leg.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> The leg. If you are a layperson looking at the ultrasound, you don\u2019t know what that is. And they\u2019ll say, \u201cThat\u2019s it. See you can\u2019t see anything.\u201d Because they don\u2019t want to give her the truth. They call themselves pro-choice. But it\u2019s not really about giving women honest choices. There are just so many things they are not honest about. For instance, they never go over all of the risks about abortion when a woman comes in. They never talk about all of the options. They don\u2019t normally ask, \u201cHave you considered your other options?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>BH:<\/strong> Have you ever seen someone coming back after an abortion procedure who is emotionally torn up?<\/p>\n\n\n<p><strong>AJ:<\/strong> Absolutely. Absolutely. The abortion industry\u2019s answer to that is that the person is weak or that they were emotionally unstable to begin with. They don\u2019t believe in post-abortion syndrome. They believe that for a normal person, you\u2019re going to do fine after the abortion. They really just dismiss women that have regrets after an abortion, and they just think something is wrong with them.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>BH: We appreciate more than you know your willingness to talk. And we are so thankful you are speaking out for pro-life. I\u2019ll say this, I think there is a truth out there that is not getting out. I think if more women armed themselves with what you are revealing here, we would have less abortions going on than we have today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On September 26, 2009, Abby Johnson held an ultrasound probe as she watched a baby in the womb recoil from a suction cannula while a doctor performed an abortion. 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